[Csaladtortenet 2] ex Imperio

[c.h.baiersdorf at t-online.de]

Kedves társak, 

habár időközben már szépen tisztázódott, talán nem árt, ha mégis elküldeném a fogalmazást, amelyet egy latin-angol online szótárban találtam:



    [1] ex Imperio = or ex Imperium  /i.e. Imperium romanum, Imperium romanum sacrum 

    is the Latin form for "from the empire" [in german: "aus dem Reich"]. 

    By "Imperio" was always understood the territory of the Holy Roman Empire [of German Nation; founded in 962]. 

    Even if the "core" of the Imperio were the German states, this was much bigger than today Germany [including during the time some regions in today Holland, Belgia, Luxembourg, Czech, etc.]. 

    Following the Thirty Years War [1618-1648], the Holy Roman Empire was almost an abstract concept. The emperor [with a single exception, always belonging to the House of Habsburg] was almost powerless. Still this concept will resist another 150 years [up to 6.08.1806]. 

    So, "ex Imperio" does not provide any specific information on place of birth / origin and you can use the term "unknown" for the place of origin as well !


    [2] ex oriundus = originating (from), born in


    [3] ex Suevia = from Schwaben / Schwabenland or Swabia [which is a historic region in today Germany -Baden-Württenberg and the Bavarian administrative district of Swabia- and a language area. In the Middle Ages, most of Switzerland and Alsace was also considered to be part of Swabia [.]

    Forrás: http://www.genealogy.ro/dictionary/lat_eng_e.htm


Üdvözlettel,
Kristóf


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tamás Pfiszter" <pfiszter.tamas at gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 1:11 PM
Subject: [Csaladtortenet 2] ex Imperio


Kedves Listatársak!

Egy 1752-es magyarországi adólistán - ahol egyes származási helyek is fel
vannak tüntetve - milyen régiót takarhat az "ex Imperio" kifejezés.

Más adósok esetében rendre közelebbi definíciókat találok "ex Suevia", "ex
Franconia", stb...  Svábország, Frankföld - tiszta sor.

Köszönettel veszem a segítő ötleteket!

üdv.:

Tamás
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